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    Anderton, Lawrence Author Profile
    Author Anderton, Lawrence
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    Apologie of the Romane Chvrch Text Profile
    Genre Controversial Treatise
    Date 1604
    Full Title The apologie of the Romane Chvrch, devided into three severall Tractes whereof 1. The first, Concerneth the Antiquitie and continuance of the Catholike Romane Religion ever since the Apostles time. 2. The second That the Protestantes Religion was not so much as in being, at or before Luthers first appearing. 3. The thirde That Catholickes are no lesse Loyall and dutifull to their Soveraigne, then Protestantes. All which are vndertaken and proved by testimonies of the learned Protestantes themselues. Esay. 19, 2. And I will sette Aegyptians against the Aegyptians, so everie one shall fight against his brother.
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    THE SECOND CHAPTER


    THAT THE TRVE CHVRCH MVST
    haue her Pastors, administration of the word and
    Sacraments euer-more to continew.


    SECT. 1.



    THe second pointe which we intend to offer to
    your Maiestie from that confessed sense
    of scripture which Protestants acknowledge, is touching
    the Churches continued and visible administration
    of the Word and Sacraments, which our Sauiour
    hath ordained to serue as the necessary appointed
    ordinarie meanes of our saluation: for albeit that
    God was able to call, iustifie, and confirme the elect
    without any mediate meanes, yet hath he not as (Caluine
    confesseth) determined to accomplishe the
    same, otherwise then in and by the ministerie of his
    Church.
    To beginne therfore with the administration of
    the Word, the Apostle teacheth. .1. First that Christ
    hath placed in his CHVRCH, Pastours and Doctors
    to continue to the consumation of Saintes till we all
    meete in the vnitie of faith, euen as our aduersaries doe
    hereupon expound) for euer: And hence it is that
    they affirme, that the Church can neuer want Pastors
    and Doctors. and which is more, that Christ will
    suffer no perticular Church to continue without a seruant to ouersee
    it: and that Pastors and Doctors must be in the
    Church till the end of the world: (euen) from Christs
    time till Luthers age. In the like assertion wherof the
    other Protestant writers are plentifull. .2. Secondly
    that these Pastors must not be silent, the holy ghost
    testifieth, foretelling of the Churches Watchmen
    or Pastors. that they shall not be silent. But euen

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    as the Apostle saith. How shall they beleeue whome
    they haue not heard, and how shall they heare without a Preacher.

    So our aduersaries do accordingly hould concerning
    preachers, that (as Mr. Fulke saith) truth
    cannot be continued in the world but by their ministrie. That
    therfore the ministrie is an essentiall marke of the true
    Church: that also as Mr. Deering saith Saluation
    springeth in preaching of the ghospell, and is shutt vp againe
    with the ceasing of it. and that take away preaching,
    you take away faith: for which he citeth many scriptures.
    3. Thirdly our aduersaries do yet further confesse,
    and the nature of the thing proueth it, (for otherwise
    they were no true Pastors) that these Churches
    Pastors (at the least some of them) shall alwaies
    resist all false opinion) euen with open reprehension:
    and that the religion being of God, no feare of man shall
    keepe them backe, because (as Mr. Deering saith hereof)
    that were to keepe the honour of God for corners and
    solitary places: for as the Apostle prescribeth with
    the harte a man beleeueth vnto righteousnes, and with the
    mouth confesseth of saluation.

    Concerning now the continued administration of
    Sacrame~ts. 1. First the scriptures affirme, that we are
    therby to shew the Lords death till he come. 2. Secondly
    our puritane aduersaries do acknowledge, and accordingly
    teach, that there must be Pastors and Doctors
    to the end of the world for the administration of the Word and
    Sacraments: that therfore the ministrie of the Worde
    and Sacraments are in absolute degree of necessitie to saluation.
    with whom our other Protestant aduersaries do
    agree: Mr. Whitaker saying to this end of the administration
    of the Word and Sacraments, that being
    present they do constitute a Church, and being absent doe
    subuert it. and Mr. D. Willet likewise saith of them:
    these markes cannot be absent from the Church, and it is
    no longer a true Church then it hath these markes: for as he
    further saith the onely absence of them doth make a nulletie
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    of the Church: with whom herein the Lutheranes
    also do agree. 3. Thirdly our aduersaries do yet
    further hereupon affirme of these, that they are
    essentiall notes of the Church: and that these notes are
    needfull to distinguish the true Church from the false, that men
    carefull of their saluation may know where the true Church is
    and to which company cheifly they ought to adioyne them selues.
    And that therefore the Church militant is in some
    sorte euermore to remaine, not poore or slender in
    paucetie of professors, but rich and plentifull:
    neither obscure or latent but like to a Citie placed
    vpon a hill that cannot be hid
    , knowen and conspicuouse:
    a truth so euident that they doubt not thereupon to

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    affirme and teach out of the scriptures the Churches
    euer visibilitie: condemning the contrarie opinion
    of the Churches pretended Latencie or inuisibilitie,
    for a monstrouse assertion & contrary to all scriptures:
    against which our Sauiour did (as they thinke) specially
    forewarne vs, saying: If therfore they shall say
    vnto you, Beholde he is in the deserte, go you not forth: Beholde
    he is in secrete places beleeue it not.
    In so much as they also
    affirme the visible dispersion therof euen for that
    short time during which she is foretould to flee
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    into wildernes by reason of Antichrists persecution: to
    which end Mr. Fulke (though most precise in this
    behalfe) is yet enforced to confesse, that the true
    Church though obscure and driuen into wildernes by Antichrist,
    yet still continued dispersed ouer the world, and that
    in the time of Antichrist it was not driuen into any corner
    of the world, but was, is, and shall be alwaies dispersed in
    many nations: and that not obscure, but (as Bullenger
    saith) right famous: which pointe the text it selfe
    doth also most inuincibly argue: for as it affirmeth
    that the womans flight into wildernes must continue
    1260 dayes: so likewise it affirmeth that the preaching
    of the Word, must as then continue in like maner during
    euen the same terme of 1260. dayes: and must
    so be as generall as the persecution: a matter so vndoubted,
    that Szegedine saith hereupon, the ministers
    of Gods word shall preach all the time in which Antichrist
    shall tread vnder foote the holy Cittie. And Mr. Gifford
    saith likewise, these two witnesses are not to be taken
    for two and no moe, but for all those which were raised vp to
    impugne Antichrist: and that they should prophecie during
    all the time of Antichrists reigne. In like testimonie wherof,
    the other Protestant writers are very plentifull.

    THAT PROTESTANTS TO PROVE THE
    answerable performance therof (for former ages) in their
    Church do alleage promiscuously both Catholicks &
    knowne Heretickes as members of
    their Church.


    SECT. 2.



    THis continued & visible administration of the
    Word & Sacraments, being the confessed sense
    of the scriptures, and without which the true Church
    cannot be, we will now examine somewhat concerning
    the answerable performance therof: In which

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    point when we prouoke our aduersaries, there is nothing
    more vsuall with them, then (for theire owne
    defence in this behalfe) to search out in the examples
    of former times, for all such whatsoeuer, as may be
    said (though often falsely) in any sorte to haue impugned
    the Pope, but so much as in any one pointe
    either of manners or doctrine: And although they
    were otherwise neuer so different from Protestants,
    yet are they (in these straites) promiscuously registred
    by our aduersaries in the Catallog. of the Doctors
    of their Church. In this sorte are named Ioannes
    de rupe Scissa Willielmus de S. Amore, and Peter Bloix. for
    their onely reprouing the life & maners of the Cleargie,
    for this onely cause also are named William
    Occam, Iohn Scotus, and Iohn Gandauensis. In like vniust
    maner is named Alcuinus Archbishoppe of Canterburie,
    and scoller to S. Bede for his onely opinion vntruely
    pretended against the Reall presence, the contrarie
    wherof is by his owne writings more then
    euident. So likewise do they name and claime
    S. Bede him selfe whom others of them do more truely
    and plainely reiect, for a confessed Papist: euen
    in all those articles wherin Protestants do at this day dissent
    from the Pope. In like manner Peter Lumberd master of
    the sentences is by them sorted in the Catallog of
    the Doctors and restorers of the heauenly doctrine, and
    placed euen with Husse and Luther, who was so euidently
    a knowne Catholicke, that Mr. Foxe therfore
    termeth him an Archpiller of papistrie. We coulde

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    giue like example of S. Bernard, Erasmus, Picus Mirandula,
    & sondry other knowne Catholicke writers,
    whom our aduersaries do in like maner most iniustly
    claime to be of their Church. And as with Catholickes
    so likewise in this exigeme of need, are they
    constrained to make like claime to Almericus, the
    Albigenses, and sondry other confessed and
    knowne heretickes. In diuers of whom Mr. Iewell
    (to omitt others) is enforced to disclaime, saying
    expresly of them: they are none of ours. In examinatio~
    therfore of these & such other like knowne
    impertine~t exa~ples, we will not be so Idly tedious as
    to trouble your Maiestie, but will make triall of those
    in whom our aduersaries haue greatest confidence,
    as namely, Waldo, Wicliffe, and Husse, and in their seuerall
    followers, and see if that these can vpholde the
    Protestant Churches administration of the word and
    Sacramentes, but so much as for those seuerall ages
    in which they liued: in whom if our aduersaries doe
    faile, then remaine they for any hope to be had of the
    other no lesse then desperate.

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    THAT WALDO (WHO LIVED ANNO
    Domini 1220.) was no Protestant and that therefore
    the examples of Waldo and his followers is not sufficient
    to proue (but so much as for their times)
    a continuance of the Protestants Churches
    administration of the Word and
    Sacraments.


    SECT. 3.



    TO beginne then with Waldo the Protestants administration
    of the worde and sacraments is so
    litle proued by his example to haue bene but so much
    as in beinge imediatlye before and at the time of his
    first appearing, that (in cleare prooffe to the contrarie
    he (as Mr. Foxe testifieth) was then a Catholicke
    lay-man's) a rich marchant of Lyons and so vnlearned
    that he gaue rewardes to certaine learned men to translate the
    holy Scriptures for him and certaine other workes of the Doctors:
    and being thus holpen, did as Mr. Foxe reporteth
    conferr the forme of religion in his time to the infallible
    worde of God: where vpon saith Mr. Foxe
    sprong vp the Doctrine & name of those which are called Waldenses:
    Anno 1218.
    2 Secondlie he had no ordinarie vocation or calling
    by man for our Catholicke Church condemned
    him, and his proceedings, and therfore would not,
    call him, and as for any other Church then being of
    his profession to call him, there was none at that
    time, so much as but in being or knowne to him.
    For which cause he and his followers contemned all
    calling, teaching that Laye men and woemen might
    Consecrate (the sacraments) and Preach. And as for any
    pretence of extraordinarie calling by God, (which
    euerie sectmaster may arrogate) euen as by the Protestants
    grauer assertion, it had euermore when it
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    was in vse, Miracles adioyned thereto in testimonie
    that it was from God, (which were wanting in
    Waldo) So likewise as the learned Protestants them
    selues graunt, it is now since the Apostles times
    ceassed and not to be expected as being without all
    proofe or testimonie in the writings of the new testament.
    If now therefore Waldo did (as appeareth by
    Protestants them selues vndertake to Preach being
    (but) a Laye seculer man, and so wanted calling, much
    lesse then could he conferre calling to others: therefore
    both he and all his followers which discended

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    from him were through theire want of calling
    intrudors, hauing no more authoritie to celebrate
    and administer Sacraments (excepted only Baptisme
    in time of necessitie which a lay person may do)
    then they had power to create a new world, so litle
    is the continuance of Protestantes administration of
    the Word & Sacraments enabled by Waldo.
    3 Thirdly concerning the Protestantes doctrine of
    Iustification by onely faith, which is in their iudgme~t
    the soule of the Church: of all other points of doctrine
    the weightiest. & which saith: Mr. Foxe Luther opened
    as being long hid before. It was so vnknowne to Waldo,
    and he so wholly affected to our Catholike doctrine
    of merittes and Workes (which Protestants terme
    the very harte, life, and soule of Papistrie,) that he did
    forsake all thinges that being poore he might follow Christ
    and the Euangelicall perfection: which our aduersaries
    reiect for Popish: In so much as he and his followers
    were a very profession of begging Friars, and
    therfore called the poore men of Lyons professing
    (as D. Humfrey vrgeth) a kind of monasticall life: wherin
    they were so forward, that they afterwardes
    made means to Innocentius the third then Pope to haue
    their order by him confirmed, but could not preuaile
    4 Fourthly the Waldenses held sundry grosse errors.
    as namely their deniall of all iudgement to blood.
    and of the Saboth. In regard of which latter they
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    were also called insabatistes. They also further
    taught that Laye men & women might Consecrate (the
    Sacrament) & preach. That Cleargie men should haue
    no Possessions or propertie. that there should be no diuision
    of Parishes, nor Churches: for a walled Church
    they reputed as a barne &c. alleaging textes against
    Churches made with handes: that men ought not to
    swere in any case. they condemned the Sacrament of
    marriage: affirming that those married persons mortally
    sinned, who accompanied togither without hope of issue.
    they held all thinges done aboue the girdle, by kissing,
    touching, wordes, compression of the pappes &c. to be done in
    charitie, and not against continencie. That also
    neither Priest nor ciuill Magistrate being guiltie of mortall
    sinne did enioy their dignitie, or were to be obeyed. They
    conde~ned Princes & Iudges. They affirmed singing in the
    Church to be an infernall clamor. And (to omitt sondry
    other), they taught that they might dissemble their
    religion, & so accordingly they went to the Catholicke
    Church dissembling, and offered, confessed, and Communicated
    dissimblingly. By reason of which their dissimulation
    they secretely increased in sondry places
    to a great number before they could be discouered:
    for which our aduersarie Illiricus not vnworthelie
    reproueth them.
    And if Protestants will not beleeue the writers of
    those times reporting these and sundry other grosse
    errors of them, why then may they not excuse in like
    manner Peter Bruis, Almericus, the Albigenses, and the
    Apostolici, or Henricianes: all which liued in that age
    and are confessed to haue held sundry of the

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    Protestants opinions as well as did the Waldenses: and
    are yet neuerthelesse by learned Protestants reiected
    and reputed for Heretickes, in regard onely of
    those sundry other most absurd hereticall opinions,
    wherwith the writers of those times do in like sorte
    charge them. Or why also may not the now succeeding
    ages say as much hereafter in like excuse as
    well of Barrowe, Browne, Hacket: Ardington &c. as also
    of the horrible heresies of the Anabaptistes, Libertines,
    Swenfeldianes, and such otherlike of this age as
    haue sprong from Protestants, holding as yet most
    of their opinions? Or with what credit can Protestants
    them selues alleage the same writers to proue
    that the Waldenses held certaine points of their faith?
    for if they depend vpon their testimonie in that, how
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    can they vpon meere supposall make it doubtfull in
    the other? considering it is euident that in those former
    times the saide reporters indifferently and alike
    condemned all those opinions wherin the Waldenses
    did as then dissent from the Romane Church, as not
    foreknowing which of those opinions we of this age
    would allow or reiect. This point is yet made much
    more euident by example of the foresaid Albigenses
    whose execrable errors are specially acknowledged
    and reported by sundry Protestant writers, and
    they thereupon reiected for confessed Heretickes.
    Now these Albigenses liued in the same time with the
    Waldenses, and were (as Mr. Fulke and other Protestant
    writers do acknowledge) of the same secte
    with them being therfore by him and others challenged
    as members of the Protestants Church,

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    and called Albigenses onely of the countrey in
    which that company remained, as in like resembla~ce
    the Hugonottes of France, and Puritanes of Scotland,
    and England professe to be of one religion notwithstanding
    the diuersitie of name, wherby they be diuersly
    called or knowne in those seuerall countries.
    Hereunto we could (in further explanacion of this
    point) also add the sundry confessed and knowne
    doctrines & rebellions of the Waldenses of latter times
    condemned by Protestants and testified by Melancthon
    and other Protestant writers, euen after
    that they were altred in many things by Luthers
    instruction.
    Vpon which premisses concerning Waldo and
    his folowers for so much as it is made euident therby.
    1 First that imediately before his first appearing he
    was a Catholicke, and not member of any other
    Church to him then knowne or in being a matter furthermore
    so manifest that the Protestant writers do
    therfore affirme his first proceeding to haue bene in
    time of thicke darkenes, and as a first and litle begining
    of the instauration of the Christian religion 2 Secondly
    that he was then also, but a lay man, and so wanted
    calling. 3 Thirdly that his opinion concerning Iustification,
    and sundry other pointes of faith were
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    Catholicke. 4 Fourthly and lastly that he and his
    followers held sondry grosse and damnable errors.
    We do humblie as now submitt to your Maiesties
    learned iudgement, whether that Protestants
    may alledge this example of the Waldenses as sufficient
    to continue and vphould the administration of
    their Churches Word, and Sacraments. But so much
    as at and since that foresaid time of Anno 1218.
    in which Waldo first appeared.

    THE LIKE IS SHEWED OF WICLIFFE
    (Who liued Anno Domini 1370.) and his
    followers.


    SECT. 4.



    AS concerning Iohn Wycliffe and his followers,
    he as Mr. Foxe reporteth florished Anno Domini
    1371. was our countrie-man and so farre before his
    first appearing from being of any Church in which
    the Protestants administration of the Worde and Sacraments
    was then continued: (whereof as appeareth
    by Mr. Foxe and others not so much as any
    entrie or being could be to him then knowne.) that
    he himselfe was then before a Catholicke Priest, euen
    the Parson of Lutterworthe in Leicester shire: And
    as Mr. Stowe in his Annualls or chronicle dedicated
    to the new Lord Archbishop of Canterburie abridgeth
    his storie He (first) Inueyed against the Church
    for that he had bene depriued by the Archbishope of Canterburie
    from a certaine benefice &c. And hauing so vpon this
    occasion seperated him selfe from the Church in
    which he formerly was He with his disciples went
    barefooted and baselie clothed in course russet garmentes

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    downe to the heeles: and seemed to contemne all temporall
    goodes for the loue of æternall riches, adioined him selfe to
    the begging Friars preceding word illegible: approuing theire pouertie and extolling
    theire perfection: reteining also his former Catholicke
    opinion concerning Holie Water: the worshipping
    of Reliques, and Images: the intercession of our Blessed
    Ladie, St. Marie: The apparell and tonsure of priestes:
    The Rites and Ceremonies of the Masse Extreme
    Vnction. and all the seauen Sacraments, and all those
    sundry other pointes of our Catholicke faith now in
    question, with deniall whereof he is not found somuch
    as charged.
    2 Secondly he held sondrie strange and damnable
    heresies, as (amongest other) that if a Bishope or
    Priest be in deadlie sinne he doth not order Consecrate nor Baptize
    that ecclesiasticall ministers should not haue any temporall
    possessions or propertie in any thing. but should
    begge. He condemned lawfull oathes. Sauoring therin
    (saith Osiander) of Anabaptisme. he also taught that
    all thinges come to passe by absolute necessitie. which is
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    Stoicall. and as for the Protestants doctrine of Iustification,
    it was so vnknowne to him that as Waldensis
    (who liued in the same time with him) affirmeth he
    exceeded in the contrarie, defending Humaine merrittes
    as the damnable hereticke Pelagius held them.
    In so much that Melancthon saith accordinglie of
    Wicliffe verily he did not vnderstand nor hould the Iustice
    of faith. and doubeth not with all to say of him,
    I haue found in him many other errors whereby one may
    iudge of his spirrit.
    Lastlie (to omit diuers other) he held as Melancthon
    tearmeth it a seditiouse doctrine, and mother of
    all rebellion, teaching that there is no ciuill Magistrate
    whilest he is in mortal sinne: and that the people
    may at theire pleasure correct Princes when they do offend.
    and according to this principle the fauourers
    of wycliffes doctrine did (as Mr. Stow reporteth) naile
    vp schedules vpon the Churches dores of London conteining that
    there was a hundreth thowsand men readye to rise against
    all such as could not awaie with theire sect. In somuch as
    Sr. Iohn Ouldcastle Wycliffes cheife disciple or
    follower to whose force and witt these other trusted
    Burst forth into treason against the King and did
    confederate him selfe with others to fight against the King in
    St. Giles feelde. At that time were taken fourescore men
    in armour of that faction. And 37. of the~ (publikely)
    condemned and executed. And Sr. Iohn Ouldcastle him selfe
    being at the last taken, was likewise executed in the
    said feilde of St. Giles, at what time he was so fantasticall,
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    many honorable persons were present, the last wordes he spake
    was to Sr. Thomas Erpingham, adiuring him, that if he sawe
    him rise from death to life againe the third day, he would
    procure that his sect might be in quiet. By all which premisses
    concerning Sir Iohn Ouldcastle, taken from
    Mr. Stowes Chronicle (dedicated to the now Lord
    Archbishope of Canterburie) it seemeth that Mr
    Foxe was in extreme need of examples to maintaine
    the continuance of his visible Church, when in his
    actes and monuments he so publickely and seriously
    registred this Sr. Iohn for a valiant and most worthie
    Martir for the true profession of Christs Ghospell.
    And thus much briefly (to omitt much more
    that might be said (concerning Wycliffe and his followers)
    wherin is shewed. 1 First that imediately
    before his first appearing he was a Catholike Priest,
    and no Church or Protestants then knowne to be so
    much as but in being. 2 Secondly that after his reuolte
    he reteined still sundry Catholicke pointes of
    faith. 3 Thirdly that he held sundry grosse and damnable

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    errors. 4 Fourthly and lastly that his doctrine
    was treasonable and his followers were notable co~uicted
    traitors: whereupon we referre (as before) to
    your Maiesties learned iudgeme~t, whether that the
    example of Wicliffe and his followers doth enable
    the co~tinuance of the Protestants Churches administration,
    of the Word and Sacraments, but so much
    as for and since that time in which he first appeared.

    THE LIKE IS SHEWED OF HVSSE
    (who liued Anno Domini 1400.) and his
    followers.


    SECT. 5.



    AS concerning Iohn Husse, who was brought
    in question about the yeare 1405. litle is needfull
    to be saide, for his chiefe trouble was for vrging
    communion to the lay people vnder both kindes,
    (which pointe Protestants acknowledge to be but
    a matter of indifferencie, and for his affirming
    of Wicliffes seditious doctrine against Princes,
    Priestes, and Bishopes, if they committed mortall sinne: other
    wise he beleeued seauen Sacraments. Transubstantiation.
    the Popes Primacie. and the Masse it
    selfe: and being a Catholicke Priest said Masse euen
    to his dying day: and was so Catholickly resolued in
    other points of faith, that Luther saith. the Papistes

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    burned Iohn Husse when as yet he departed not a finger breadth
    from the Papacie, for he taught the same which the Papistes
    do, onely he found fault with their vices and wicked life, against
    the Pope he committed nothing. And the same is yet
    further testified of Husse by Hierome of Prag, who
    liued in the same time with him: a thing so euidently
    true that no meaner a witnes then Mr. Foxe, testifieth
    the same as yet much more fully, rebuking for
    that very reason the Popes causing Husse to be burned:
    to which end Mr. Foxe saith: What did Husse
    at any time teach or defend in the Councell, wherin he did not
    rather seeme superstitiously to consent with the Papistes? what
    did the popish faith decree co~cerning Transubstantiatio~ which
    he likewise with the Papistes did not confirme? who celebrated
    Masse more religiously then he, or more chastlie obserued the
    vowes of Priestlie chastitie? Add further than in the doctrine
    of Catholickes concerning freewill, Predestination, informed
    faith, the cause of Iustification, and merit of good works? what
    other thing did he hould then is taught at Rome? What image
    of any Saint did he euer cast out of his Church at Bethleme?
    &c. What therfore shall we say him to haue committed for
    which he is not together with the Romane see to be co~demned,
    or with it to be absolued? And Mr. Foxe reporteth accordingly
    of Husse his followers the Bohemianes that
    being demaunded in what points they did differ from the
    Church of Rome the onely propositions which they (thervpon)
    propounded were these foure articles: First the
    necessitie of Communion vnder both kindes: the Second that
    all ciuill dominion was forbidden to the Cleargie. the Third
    that the preaching of the Word is free for all men and in all
    places. the Fourth that open crimes are in no wise to be suffered
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    for auoiding of greater euell. So euidently also did
    the Bohemianes in all other pointes of faith embrace
    the Catholicke doctrine.
    And thus much brieflie concerning Husse and
    his followers that they were not of the Protestants
    Church, and therefore cannot iustlie be alledged as
    examples sufficient to vphould their Churches administration
    of the Word and Sacraments: A truth
    made so euident by the premisses as we hould it altogether
    vnworthie of your Maiesties further
    consideration, onely we cannot but (as before) so
    here also admire Mr. Foxe his extreme bouldnes or
    rather need of protestant Pastors and professors,
    when he so seriously registred Iohn Husse for a most
    holy martir, of their Church: not doubting likewise
    so vnaduisedly to honour, the succesfull for the time
    (though barbarouse) insurrection of his disciples
    and adherentes in Bohemia (who proceeded to
    reuenge his death with an armie of. 40000 men and
    confessed rebellion against their Soueraigne) with
    the vnfitting title of the ghospells increase.

    THAT THOVGH WALDO WICLIFFE
    and Husse had bene Protestantes yet theire examples
    are insufficient in this case.


    SECT. 6.



    HITHERTO we haue proceeded that neither
    Waldo, Wicliffe, nor Husse were of the Protestants
    Church, and that therefore theire examples
    are impertinently alledged: onely now we will suppose
    for the time that they had bene all of them full
    Protestants in opinion, and withall yet appeall to
    your Maiesties learned iudgme~t, whether their
    foresaide examples be not altogether insufficient to
    proue a continuance of their Churches administration
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    those only times in which they liued, and that for
    two speciall important reasons.
    As 1 First in that neither they all (nor so much
    as any of them) were before their first appearing
    members and professors of the said supposed Protestants
    Church and faith, but were (as appeareth by
    the premisses,) all of them originally professed and
    knowne Catholikes: as in like maner were Arius,
    Macedonius, Nestorius, Pelagius, Eutiches, and the other
    ould Sectmasters before their times, who all being
    first Catholickes (through Innouation afterwardes
    and noueltie of opinion) went out from vs: the very
    brand or character wherwith the holy scriptures, &
    Protestants them selues doe note false teachers.
    And therfore the foresaid example of Waldo, Wicliffe,
    and Husse, who before their first appearing were Catholickes
    supposing they were afterwardes Protestants)
    proueth in steed of continuance rather a manifest
    defection, and not being of their Churches administration
    of the Word & Sacraments, at and imediately
    before the first begining of euery of them.
    2 Secondly, as Luther saith: It is not enough for a
    man to haue the word and puritie of doctrine, but also he must
    be assured of his calling, and he that entreth without this, certainely
    entreth to no other end but to kill. &c. to which
    purpose the scripture saith: How shall they preach
    except they be sent.

    No man taketh to him the honour of
    Priesthood but he that is called of God as Aaron was:

    Who so entereth not by the dore into the sheepfolde, but climeth
    an other way, is a theefe.
    And for so much as the refuge
    of pretended extraordinary calling hath bene heretofore
    sufficiently discouered, and reiected, by
    learned Protestants, Lutheranes, and Puritanes: the
    Churches ordinarie calling by man, being, (as the
    auncient Fathers and themselues do yet further
    confesse) the established course of the new Testament,
    without which no man may vndertake the
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    publique charge and administration of the word and
    sacraments: To which end the now Lord Bishop of
    Winchester affirmeth that, the moderation of the
    keies and imposition of handes were at first setled in the Apostles:
    and that they can haue no part of Apostolike Comission
    that haue no shew of Apostolicke succession &c. and therfore
    that Pastors do receaue by succession the power and
    charge of the Word and Sacraments from and in the first Apostles:
    against all which, the vulgar obiections which
    some precisians vrge (contrarie to scriptures, and so
    many of their owne writers) of Aedesius and Frumentius
    (two lay persons) Conuerting a great nation of the
    Indianes: and of a captiue woman conuerting the nation of
    the Iberianes, and grossely mistaken and impertinent.

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    If now our Catholicke Church be a true Church
    able to conferre this calling so by her giuen to
    Husse, Wicliffe &c. and that it was sufficient to them,
    why then do our aduersaries so greeuously accuse &
    maligne our said Church for false and Antichristian?
    And if according to their doctrine the Pope be Antichrist
    and our Church Antichristian, then followeth
    necessarily that which them selues therupon say,
    namely that, there is in Babilon (thereby meaning
    our Church) no holy Order or ministrie in deed, no lawfull
    calling but a meere vsurpation: For it must needs to all
    men seeme absurd that Christs Ministers should receiue
    their spirituall power and Comission from Antichrist:
    and then also not onely Waldo the Lay man,
    and all those who discended from him (which is here
    tofore in them made most euident) but likewise
    euen Husse, Wicliffe, and Luther him selfe (who had no
    other calling but from our Church) and so many other
    as haue afterwards claimed vnder them, are destitute
    hitherto of all lawfull calling, the true succession
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    of ordination being (as our aduersaries therupon
    affirme) then broken of: which needfull continuance
    of personall succession or calling, seemeth furthermore
    so manifestly defectiue or wanting in the Protestants
    Church, that euen sundry of them selues, (who
    as Sadell complaineth therat) acknowledge the doctrine
    which their Church doth embrace to be true and grounded
    vpon the expresse word of God, do yet affirme the ministers
    with them to be destitute of lawfull calling: &c. In which
    opinion they are so resolute that Sadell did therefore
    write a speciall treatise therof against them.
    And thus much briefly whether Waldo, Wicliffe,
    Husse, and Luther, had suficient calling or not to administer
    the Protestant Churches word and sacrame~ts:
    which if they had not, the~ admitting that we should
    for the time suppose them to haue bene full Protestantes
    in opinio~, and also neuer to haue bene reuolted
    Catholicks, but originally professors of the Protestants
    Doctrine, yet all this notwithstanding there
    appeareth by reason of their foresaid alledged onely
    want of true ordination, a confessed and vnanswerable
    defecte or downefall (for so many hundreth
    yeares last past) of theire Churches administration
    of the word and sacrame~ts, without which (as them
    selues haue heretofore confessed fro~ the scriptures)
    it were no Church.
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