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    Perkins, William Author Profile
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    Date 1597
    Full Title [A reformed Catholike, or, A declaration shewing how neere we may come to the present Church of Rome in sundrie points of religion: and wherein we must for euer depart from them: with An advertisement to all fauourers of the Romane religion, shewing that the said religion is against the catholike principles and grounds of the catechisme.]
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    REVELAT .18.5.



    And I heard another voyce from heauen
    say, Goe out of her my people, that ye be not
    partakers of her sinnes, and receiue not of her
    plagues.



    IN the former chapter S.
    Iohn sets down a description
    of the whore of Babylon,
    and that at large as
    he saw her in a vision described
    vnto him. In the
    sixteenth verse of the same chapter, he foretells
    her destruction: and in the three first
    verses of this 18. chapter, he goeth on to propound
    the said destruction yet more directly
    and plainly; withall alledging arguments
    to prooue the same, in all the verses following.
    Now in this fourth verse is set downe a
    caueat seruing to forewarne all the people
    of God, that they may escape the iudgement

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    which shall befall the whore: and the words
    containe two parts: a commandement, and
    a reason: the commandement, Come out of
    her my people
    , that is, from Babylon: the reason,
    taken from the euent, least ye be partakers,
    &c. Touching the commaundement,
    first I will search the right meaning of it,
    and then set downe the vse thereof and doctrine
    flowing thence. In historie therfore
    are three Babylons mentioned: one is, Babylon
    of Assyria standing on the riuer Euphrates,
    where was the confusion of languages,
    and where the Iewes were in captiuitie:
    which Babylon is in Scripture reproched
    for idolatry and other iniquities. The second
    Babylon is in Egypt standing on the riuer
    Nylus, and it is now called Cayr: of that me~tion
    is made 1. Pet. 5. v. 13. (as some thinke)
    though indeede it is as likely and more commonly
    thought, that there is meant Babylon
    of Assyria. The third Babylon is mysticall,
    whereof Babylon of Assyria was a type and
    figure; and that is Rome, which is without
    question here to be vnderstoode. And the
    whore of Babylon, as by all circumstances
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    may be gathered, is the state or regiment
    of a people that are the inhabitants of Rome
    and appertaine thereto. This may be prooued
    by the interpretation of the holy Ghost:
    for in the last verse of the 17. chapter the
    woman that is the whore of Babylon is said
    to be A citie which raigneth ouer the Kings
    of the earth
    : now in the daies when S. Iohn
    penned this booke of Revelations, there was
    no citie in the worlde that ruled ouer the
    kings of the earth but Rome; it then beeing
    the seat where the Emperour put in execution
    his Imperiall authoritie. Againe in the
    seuenth verse shee is saide to sit on a beast hauing
    seauen heads and ten hornes
    : which seuen
    heads be seuen hills,
    v. 9. whereon the
    woman sitteth: and also they be seuen kings.

    Therefore, by the whore of Babylon is ment
    a citie standing on seuen hills. Now it is well
    knowne, not onely to learned men in the
    Church of God, but euen to the heathen
    themselues, that Rome alone is the citie built
    on seuen distinct hills, called Cælius, Aventinus,
    Exquilinus, Tarpeius or Capitolinus,Viminalis,
    Palatinus, Quirinalis. Papists, to

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    helpe themselues, doe alledge that old Rome
    stood on seuen hills, but now is remooued
    further to the plaine of Campus Martius. I
    answer, that howsoeuer the greatest part of
    the citie in regard of habitation be not now
    on seuen hills, yet in regard of regiment and
    practise of religion it is: for euen to this day
    vpon these hills are seated certaine Churches
    and Monasteries & other like places where
    the Papal Authoritie is put in execution: and
    thus Rome beeing put for a state and regiment;
    euen at this day, it stands vpon seuen
    hills. And though it become to passe that the
    harlot in regard of her latter daies haue cha~ged
    her seate, yet in respect of her yonger
    times in which she was bred and borne, shee
    sate vpon the seuen hills. Others, because
    they feare the wou~ding of their own heads,
    labour to frame these wordes to an other
    meaning, and say, that by the whore, is ment
    the company of all wicked men in the world
    wheresoeuer, the deuill being the head therof.
    But this exposition is flat against the text:
    for in the second verse of the 18. chapter, shee
    is opposed to the kings of the earth with

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    whome shee is said to commit fornication:
    and in the last verse shee is called a citie standing
    on seuen hills and raigning ouer the
    kings of the earth (as I haue said,) & therfore
    must needes be a state of men in some particular
    place. And the Papists themselues perceiuing
    that this shift will not serue their
    turne, make two Romes, heathenish Rome,
    and that whereof the Pope is head: now (say
    they) the whore spoken of, is heathenish
    Rome, which was ruled by cruell tyrants, as
    Nero, Domitian, & the rest: and that Rome
    whereof now the Pope is head, is not here
    meant. Behold a vaine and foolish distinction:
    for Ecclesiasticall Rome in respect of
    state, princely dominion, and crueltie in persequuting
    the Saints of God, is all one with
    the heathenish Empire: the See of the Bishop
    beeing turned into the Emperours court, as
    all histories doe manifest. But let the distinction
    be as they suppose, yet by their leaues,
    here by the whore must be vnderstood not
    onely heathenish Rome, but euen the papall
    or Ecclesiasticall Rome: for v. 3. of this chapter
    the holy Ghost saith plainely, that shee

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    hath made all nations drunke with the wine
    of the wrath of her fornication
    : yea it is added,
    that shee hath committed fornication
    with the kings of the earth
    , whereby is signified
    that shee hath endeauoured to intangle
    all the nations of the earth in her spirituall idolatrie,
    and to bring the kings of the earth
    to her religion. Which thing cannot be vnderstoode
    of the heathenish Rome, for that
    left all the kings of the earth to their owne
    religion and idolatrie: neither did they labour
    to bring forraine kings to worshippe
    their gods. Againe chapt. 18. v. 16. it is saide,
    that the ten hornes, which be ten kings, shall
    hate the whore, and make her desolate and
    naked
    , which must not be vnderstoode of
    heathenish Rome, but of popish Rome: for
    whereas in former times all the kings of the
    earth did submit themselues to the whore,
    now they haue begun to withdraw themselues,
    and make her desolate; as the king of
    Bohemia, Denmarke, Germanie, England,
    Scotland, and other parts: therefore this distinction
    is also friuolous. They further alledge
    that the whore of Babylon is drunke
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    with the bloode of the Saints and Martyrs,
    cap. 17.6. shedde not in Rome, but in Ierusalem:
    where the Lord was crucified: and the
    two prophets beeing slaine lie there in the
    streetes
    , Rev.11.18. But this place, Rev. 11. is
    not meant of Hierusalem, as Hierome hath
    fully taught, but it may well be vnderstoode
    of Rome: Christ was crucified there, either
    because the authoritie, whereby he was crucified
    was from the Romane Empire, or els
    because Christ in his members was and is
    there daily crucified, though locally in his
    owne person he was crucified at Ierusalem.
    And thus, notwithstanding all which hath
    bin said, we must here by the whore vnderstand
    the state and Empire of Rome, not so
    much vnder the heathen Emperours as vnder
    the head thereof the Pope: which exposition,
    besides the authoritie of the text, hath
    the fauour and defence of auncient and learned men.
    Bernard saith, They are the ministers
    of Christ, but they serve Antichrist.
    Againe, The beast spoken of in the Apocalyps,
    to which a mouth is giuen to speake blasphemies,
    and to make warre with the Saints of

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    God, is now gotten into Peters chaire, as a lyon
    prepared to his praie. It will be saide, that
    Bernard speakes these latter wordes of one
    that came to the Popedome by intrusion or
    vsurpation. It is true indeed: but wherefore
    was he an vsurper? he rendereth a reason
    thereof in the same place: because the Antipope
    called Innocentius was chosen by the
    kings of Almaine, France, England, Scotla~d,
    Spaine, Hierusalem, with consent of the
    whole Cleargie and people in these nations,
    and the other was not. And thus Bernard
    hath giuen his verdict that not onely this
    vsurper, but al the Popes for this many yeres
    are the beast in the Apocalyps: because now
    they are onely chosen by the colledge of
    Cardinalls. To this agreeth the decree of
    Pope Nicholas the second, ann. 1059. that
    the pope shall afterward be created by the
    suffrages of the Cardinall bishops of Rome,
    with the consent of the rest of the cleargie
    and people, and the Emperour himselfe: and
    all Popes are excommunicate & accursed as
    Antichristes, that enter otherwise, as al now
    doe. Ioachimus Abbas saith, Antichrist as

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    long since borne in Rome, and shall be yet aduanced
    higher in the Apostolike See. Petrach
    saith, Once Rome, now Babylon. And Ireneus
    booke 5. chap. last, said before al these,
    that Antichrist should be Lateinus, a Romane.
    Again this co~mandeme~t must not so much
    be vnderstoode of a bodily departure in respect
    of cohabitatio~ & presence, as of a spirituall
    separatio~ in respect of faith & religion.
    And the meaning of the holy Ghost is, that
    men must depart from the Romish Church
    in regard of Iudgement and doctrine in regard
    of their faith and the worship of God.
    Thus then we see that the words containe
    a commaundement from God, inioyning
    his Church and people to make a seperation
    from Babylon. Whence I obserue,
    That all those who will be saued, must depart
    and seperate them selues from the faith and
    religion of this present Church of Rome. And
    whereas they are charged with scisme that
    seperate thus from them; the truth is, they
    are not scismatikes that doe so, because they
    haue the commandement of God for their

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    warrant: and that partie is the scismatike in
    whome the cause of this seperation lieth: and
    that is in the church of Rome, namly the cup
    of abomination in the whores hand, which
    is, their hereticall and scismaticall religion.
    Now touching this dutie of seperation
    I meane to speake at large, not standing so
    much to prooue the same, because it is euident
    by the text, as to shew the manner and
    measure of making this seperation: & therin
    I will handle two things. First how farforth
    we may ioyne with them in the matter of
    religion: secondly how farforth and wherein
    we must dissent and depart from them.
    And for this cause I meane to make choice
    of certaine points of religion, and to speake
    of them in as good order as I can, shewing
    in each of them our consent and difference:
    and the rather because some harpe much vpon
    this string, that a vnion may be made of
    our two religions, and that we differ not in
    substance but in points of circumstance.
    The first point wherewith I meane to beginne
    shall be the point of Freewill: though
    it be not the principall.

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    I. Our consent.




    Freewill both by them and vs, is taken
    for a mixt power in the minde and will of
    man; whereby discerning what is good and
    what is euill, he doth accordingly choose
    or refuse the same.
    I. Conclusion. Man must be considered
    in a foure-fold estate, as he was created, as he
    was corrupted, as he is renewed, as he shalbe
    glorified. In the first estate, we ascribe to
    ma~s wil libertie of nature in which he could
    wil or nil either good or euil: in the third liberty
    of grace, in the last libertie of glorie. Al
    the doubt is of the second estate: and yet
    therein also we agree, as the conclusions following
    will declare.
    II. Conclus. The matters where about
    freewill is occupied are principally the actions
    of men, which be of three sorts, natural,
    humane, spirituall. Naturall actions are such
    as are co~mon to men with beasts, as to eate,
    drinke, sleepe, heare, see, smell, taste, and to
    moove from place to place: in all which we
    ioyne with the Papists, and hold that man
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    hath freewil, and euen since the fall of Adam
    by a naturall power of the mind doth freely
    performe any of these actions or the like.
    III. Conclus. Humane actions are such
    as are common to all men good and bad, as
    to speake and vse reason, the practise of all
    mechanicall and liberall artes, and the outward
    performance of civill and ecclesiasticall
    duties, as to come to the Church, to
    speake, and preach the word, to reach out
    the hand to receiue the sacrament, and to
    lende the eare to listen outwardly to that
    which is taught. And hither we may refer
    the outward actions of civil vertues: as namly,
    Iustice, temperance, gentlenes, liberalitie.
    And in these also we ioyne with the church
    of Rome & say (as experience teacheth) that
    men haue a naturall freedome of will, to put
    them or not to put them in execution. Paul
    saith, Rom. 2.14. The Gentiles that haue not
    the lawe doe the things of the law by nature
    ,
    that is by naturall strength: and he saieth of
    himselfe, that before his conversion touching
    the righteousnes of the lawe, he was unblamable.
    Phil. 3. 6. And for this externall obedience,
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    naturall men receiue reward in
    temporal things. Mat. 6. 5. Ezech. 29. 19. And
    yet here caveats must be remembred, I. that
    in humane actions mans will is weake and
    feeble, and his vnderstanding dim & darke,
    and therevpon they often faile. And in these
    things I vnderstand the wil of man to be only
    wounded or halfe dead. II. That the will
    of man is vnder the will of God, and therefore
    to be ordered by it; as Ieremy saith, cap.
    10. v. 23. O Lord I knowe that the way of man
    is not in himselfe: neither is it in man to
    walke or direct his stepps.

    IIII. Conclus. The third kind of actions
    are spirituall more neerely concerning
    the heart and conscience, and these be twofold:
    they either concerne the kingdome of
    darkenes, or els the kingdome of God.
    Those that concerne the kingdom of darknes
    are sinnes properly: and in these we likewise
    ioyne with the Papists and teach, that in
    sinnes or evill actions man hath freedome of
    will. Some peradventure will say that we
    sinne necessarily, because he that sinneth cannot
    but sinne: and that free will and necessitie
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    cannot stand togither. Indeede the necessitie
    of compulsion or coaction, and free will cannot
    agree: but there is an other kinde of necessitie
    which may stand with freedome of
    wil: for some things may be done necessarily
    and also freely. A man that is in close prison
    must needes there abide and cannot possibly
    get foorth and walke where he will; yet can
    he move himselfe freely and walke within
    the prison: so likewise, though mans will be
    chained naturally by the bondes of sinne, and
    therefore cannot but sinne: and therevpon
    sinneth necessarily, yet doeth it also sinne
    freely.
    V. Conclus. The second kinde of spiritual
    actions or thinges, concerne the kingdome
    of God: as repentance, faith, the conversion
    of a sinner, newe obedience and such
    like: in which we likewise in part ioyne
    with the Church of Rome and say that in
    the first conversion of a sinner, mans free will
    concurrs with Gods grace, as a fellowe or
    coworker in some sort. For in the conversion
    of a sinner three thinges are required: the
    word, Gods spirit, and mans will: for mans
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    will is not passiue in all and euery respect,
    but hath an action in the first conversion
    and change of the soule. When any
    man is converted, this worke of God is not
    done by co~pulsion, but he is converted willingly:
    & at the very time when he is co~verted,
    by Gods grace he wils his co~version. To
    this end said Augustine, He which made thee
    without thee, wil not saue thee without thee.
    Again, that is certen that our wil is required
    in this that we may do any good thing wel: but
    we haue it not from our owne power but God
    workes to will in vs. For looke at what time
    god giues grace, at the same time he giueth
    a wil to desire & wil the same grace: as for exa~ple
    whe~ God works faith, at the same time
    he works also vpon the wil causing it to desire
    faith and willingly to receiue the gift of
    beleeuing. God makes of the vnwilling will
    a willing will: because no man can receiue
    grace vtterly against his will, considering
    will constrained is no will. But here we
    must remember, that howsoeuer in respect
    of time the working of grace by Gods spirit
    and the willing of it in man goe togither:
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    yet in regard of order, grace is first wrought,
    and mans will must first of all be acted and
    moved by grace, and then it also acteth, willeth,
    and moveth it selfe. And this is the last
    point of consent betweene vs and the Roman
    Church touching free will: neither
    may we proceed further with them.

    II. The dissent or difference.



    The point of difference standeth in the
    cause of the fredome of mans will in spirituall
    matters which concerne the kingdome
    of God. The Papists say, mans will concurreth
    & worketh with gods grace in the first
    conversion of a sinner by it selfe, and by it
    owne naturall power; and is onely helped by
    the holy ghost. We say, that mans will worketh
    with grace in the first conversion, yet
    not of it self, but by grace. Or thus They say,
    will hath a naturall cooperation: we deny
    it, and say it hath cooperation onely by
    grace, being in it selfe not actiue but passiue;
    willing well onely as it is mooued by grace,
    whereby it must first be acted and mooued
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    before it can act or will. And that we may
    the better conceiue the difference, I will vse
    this comparison: The Church of Rome
    sets forth the estate of a sinner by the condition
    of a prisoner, and so doe we: marke the~
    the difference. It supposeth the said prisoner
    to lie bound hand and foote with chaines &
    fetters, and withall to be sicke and weake,
    yet not wholly dead but liuing in part: it supposeth
    also that being in this case, he stirreth
    not himselfe for any helpe, and yet hath abilitie
    and power to stirre. Hereupon if the keeper
    come & take away his bolts and fetters,
    and hold him by the hand, and help him vp,
    he can and will of himselfe stand and walke
    and goe out of prison: euen so (say they) is a
    sinner bound hand and foot with the chaine
    of his sinnes; and yet he is not dead but sicke,
    like to the wounded man in the way betweene
    Ierico and Ierusalem. And therefore
    doeth he not will and affect that which is
    good; but if the holy Ghost come and doe
    but vntie his bands, and reach him his hand
    of grace, then can he stand of himselfe and
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    is good. We in like manner graunt, that a
    prisoner fitly resembleth a naturall man, but
    yet such a prisoner must he be, as is not onely
    sicke and weake but euen starke dead;
    which cannot stirre though the keeper vntie
    his bolts and chaines, nor heare though
    he sound a trumpet in his eare; and if the said
    keeper would haue him to mooue & stirre,
    he must giue him not onely his hand to help
    him, but euen soule and life also: and such a
    one is euery man by nature; not onely chained
    and fettered in his sinnes but starke dead
    therein; as one that lieth rotting in the graue,
    not hauing any abilitie or power to mooue
    or stirre: and therefore he can not so much
    as desire or doe any thing that is truly good
    of himselfe, but God must first come and
    put a new soule into him, euen the spirit of
    grace to quicken and reuiue him: and then
    beeing thus reuiued, the will beginneth to
    wil good things at the very same time, whe~
    god by his spirit first infuseth grace. And this
    is the true difference betweene vs and the
    Church of Rome in this point of freewill.

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    III. Our reasons.



    Now for the confirmation of the doctrine
    we hold, namely, that a man willeth
    not his owne conuersion of himselfe by nature,
    but by grace wholly & alone; these reaso~s
    may be vsed. The first is taken fro~ the nature
    and measure of mans corruptio~, which
    may be distinguished into two parts: the first
    is the want of that originall righteousnes,
    which was in man by creation: the second
    is, a prones and inclination to that which is
    euil, and to nothing that is truly good. This
    appeareth Gen. 8.21. The frame of mans
    heart
    (saith the Lord) is euill, euen from his
    childhood
    : that is, the disposition of the vnderstanding,
    will, affections, with all that the
    heart of man deuiseth, frameth, or imagineth,
    is wholly euill. And Paul saith, Rom. 8.
    5. The wisdom of the flesh is enmitie against
    God.
    Which words are very significant: for
    the word NoValue translated wisdome, signifieth
    that the best thoughts, the best desires,
    affections, and endeauours that be in any
    naturall man, euen those that come most

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    neare to true holines, are not onely contrary
    to God, but euen enmitie it selfe. And hence
    I gather, that the very heart it selfe, that is, the
    will and minde, from whence these desires
    and thoughts doe come, are also enmitie vnto
    God. For such as the action is, such is the
    facultie whence it proceedeth; such as the
    fruit is such is the tree; such as the branches
    are such are the rootes. By both these places
    it is euident, that in man there is not onely a
    want, absence, or depriuation of originall
    righteousnes, but a prones also by nature vnto
    that which is euill: which prones includes
    in it an inclination not to some fewe, but to
    all and euery sinne; the very sinne against the
    holy Ghost not excepted. Hence therefore
    I reason thus:
    If euery man by nature doe both want original
    iustice, and he also prone vnto
    all euill, then wanteth he natural free
    will to will that which is truly good.
    But euery man by nature wants originall
    iustice, and is also prone vnto all euill.
    ergo: Every man naturally wants free
    will, to will that which is good.

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    Reason II. 1. Cor. 2.14. The naturall
    man perceiveth not the things of the
    Spirit of God: for they are foolishnes vnto
    him, neither can he know them, because
    they are spiritually discerned.
    In these
    words Saint Paul sets downe these points: I.
    that a naturall man doeth not so much as
    thinke of the things reuealed in the Gospell.
    II. that a man hearing, and in minde conceiuing
    them; can not giue consent vnto
    them, and by naturall iudgement approoue
    of them; but contrariwise thinketh them to
    be foolishnes. III. that no man can giue
    assent to the things of God, vnlesse he be enlightened
    by the spirit of God. And hence I
    reason thus;
    If a man by nature doth not know and perceiue
    the things of God: and when he
    shall know them, can not by nature giue
    assent vnto them: then hath he no power
    to will them.
    But the first is euidently true. ergo.
    For first the minde must approoue & giue
    assent, before the will can choose or will:
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    nor giue assent, there the will hath no
    power to will.
    Reason III. Thirdly the holy Ghost auoucheth,
    Eph. 2. 2. Coloss. 2. 13. that all men
    by nature are dead in sinnes and trespasses:
    not as the Papists say, weak, sick, or half dead.
    Hence I gather, that man wanteth naturall
    power not to will but freely and franckly
    to will that which is good. A dead man in
    his graue cannot stir the least finger, because
    he wants the very power of life, sense, & motio~;
    no more can he that is dead in sin, wil the
    least good: nay if he could either will or doe
    any good, he could not be dead in sinne. And
    as a dead man in the graue, cannot rise but by
    the power of God; no more can he that is
    dead in sinne rise, but by the power of Gods
    grace alone, without any power of his
    owne.
    Reason IV. Fourthly, in the conuersion
    and saluation of a sinner, the Scripture ascribeth
    all to God, and nothing to mans freewill.
    Ioh. 3.3. Except a man be borne againe
    he cannot see the kingdome of God.
    Eph. 2.10.
    We are his workemanship created in Christ
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    Iesus to good workes.
    And c. 4. v. 24. the new
    man is created to the image of God.
    Now
    to be borne againe, is a work of no lesse importance
    then our first creation; and therefore
    wholly to be ascribed to God as our
    creation is. Indeede Paul Philip 2.12, 13. biddeth
    the Philippians worke out their saluation
    with feare and trembling
    not meaning
    to ascribe vnto the~ power of doing good
    by themselues. And therefore in the next
    verse he addeth, It is God that worketh both
    the will and the deede
    : directly excluding all
    naturall freewill in things spirituall; and yet
    withall he acknowledgeth, that mans will
    hath a worke in doing that which is good,
    not by nature but by grace. Because when
    God giues man power to will good things,
    then he can will them: and when he giueth
    him a power to doe good, then he can doe
    good, and he doth it. For though there be
    not in mans conuersion a naturall cooperation
    of his will with Gods spirit, yet is there
    a supernaturall cooperation by grace, enabling
    man when he is to be conuerted, to
    will his conuersion: according to which S.

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    Paul saith, 1. Cor. 15. 10. I haue laboured in the
    faith: but least any man should imagine, that
    this was done by any naturall power: therefore
    he addeth, yet not I, that is, not I by any
    thing in me, but Gods grace in me, inabling
    my will to doe the good I doe.
    Reason V. The iudgement of the auncient
    Church. August. The will of the regenerate
    is kindled onely by the holy Ghost; that
    they may therefore be able because they will
    thus: and they will thus, because God workes
    in them to will. And, We haue lost ovr
    freewil to loue God by the greatnes of our
    sinne. Serm .2. on the words of the Apostle.
    Man when he was created receiued great
    strength in his freewil: but by sinning he lost
    it. Fulge~tius, God giueth grace freely to the
    vnworthie, whereby the wicked man being
    iustified is inlightened with the gift of
    good wil, and with a faculty of doing
    good: that by mercie preuenting him, he
    may begin to wil wel, and by mercie co~ming
    after, he may doe the good he will Bernard
    saith, It is wholly the grace of god
    that we are created, healed, saued. Council.
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    Arausic. 2.c.6. To beleeue and to will is
    given from aboue by infusion, and inspiration
    of the holy Ghost. More testimonies and
    reasons might be alleadged to prooue this
    conclusion, but these shall suffice: now let vs
    see what reasons are alledged to the co~trary.

    III. Obiections of Papists.



    Obiect. I. First they alledge that man by
    nature may doe that which is good, & therfore
    will that which is good: for none can
    doe that which he neither willeth nor thinketh
    to doe, but first he must will and then
    doe. Now (say they) men can doe good by
    nature, as giue almes, speake the truth, doe
    iustice, and practise other duties of ciuil vertues
    and therefore will that which is good.
    I answer, that a naturall man may do good
    workes for the substance of the outward
    worke: but not in regard of the goodnes of
    the manner: these are two diuers things. A
    man without supernaturall grace may giue
    almes, do iustice, speake the truth, &c. which
    be good things considered in themselues as
    God hath commanded them; but he cannot
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    doe them well. To thinke good things and
    to doe good things are naturall workes: but
    to thinke good things in a good maner, and
    to doe them well, so as God may accept the
    action done, are works of grace. And therefore
    the good thing done by a naturall man
    is a sinne, in respect of the doer: because it
    failes both for his right beginning, which is
    a pure heart, good conscience, & faith vnfained;
    as also for his ende which is the glorie
    of God.
    Obiect. II. God hath commanded all
    men to beleeue and repent: therefore they
    haue naturall freewil, by vertue whereof being
    helped by the spirit of God, they can beleeue
    and repent. Answ. This reason is not
    good: for by such commaundements God
    sheweth not what men are able to doe; but
    what they should do, and what they can not
    doe. Againe, the reason is not well framed,
    it ought rather to be thus: Because God
    giues men commaundement to repent and
    beleeue, therefore they haue power to repe~t
    & beleeue, either by nature or by grace;
    & then we hold with them. For when God

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    in the Gospell commandeth men to repent
    and to beleeue, at the same time by his grace
    he inableth them both to will or desire to
    beleeue and repent, as also actually to repent
    and beleeue.
    Obiect. III. If man haue not freewill
    to sinne or not to sinne, then no man is to be
    punished for his sinnes: because he sinneth by
    a necessitie not to be auoided. Answ. The
    reason is not good: for though man can not
    but sinne, yet is the fault in himselfe, & therefore
    he is to be punished: as a bankrupt is not
    therefore freed from his debts, because he is
    not able to pay them: but the bils against him
    stand in force, because the debt comes thorough
    his default.
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