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    Gifford, George Author Profile
    Author Gifford, George
    Denomination Nonconformist
    Confutation of the Countrie Diuinitie Text Profile
    Genre Controversial Treatise
    Date 1582
    Full Title A Briefe discourse of certaine points of the religion, which is among the commo~ sort of Christians, which may bee termed the Countrie Diuinitie. With a manifest confutation of the same, after the order of a Dialogue.
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    Zelot. If God can not lie, when hee saith
    all that trust in him shall bee saued, and you
    knowe that yee put your whole trust in him,
    Wherefore doe yee not then knowe that yee
    shalbe saued?
    Ath. That which God sayth, is true,
    for he cannot lie: I put my trust in none but
    in him: I hope to be saued, what would yee
    haue more? I will beleeue neuer a one of
    them all when they say they know they shalbe
    saued; I thinke they woulde make them
    selues Gods.
    Zelot. Naye suche as you make your
    selues Gods, when yee ioyne thinges so contrary
    together and can make them agree: fire
    and water may lodge together in one bedde,
    at your inne, and agree well together: For
    they are no more contrary then that whiche
    yee affirme, when yee say God hath promised
    that all which beleeue in him shall bee saued,
    you are sure yee beleeue in him and
    that ye put all your whole trust in him & yet
    yee can not tell whether yee shal bee saued.
    But I can not greatly maruell at this, for
    yee knowe as well what faith is, as doeth a
    Goose.
    Ath. I trust I knowe. and I meane
    well, God knoweth my meaning howsoeuer
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    you take me.
    Zelot Let mee aske yee this question,
    when a man praieth if hee doe not beeleeue
    that whiche hee saieth, doeth hee
    well?
    Ath. Wee must beleeue that which we
    speake when wee praye, or els it is nothing
    woorth.
    Zelot. When Christ teacheth vs too
    pray, and too call GOD our Father,
    ought we not for to knowe that he is our Father?
    Ath. Wee ought for to knowe, that
    which GOD teacheth vs and to beleeue
    the same.
    Zelot. Must wee not beleeue it without
    doubting or wauering, as S. Iames sayth hee
    that doubteth is like vnto a waue of the Sea
    tossed with the winde,
    neither let that man
    thinke that he shall receiue any thing?
    Ath. Wee must not doubt, for hee that
    doubteth is in a wrong beleefe, we must put
    all our trust in God.
    Zelot. Then when ye call GOD Father
    ye beleue that surely which ye speak, then are
    ye sure that he loueth yee, for a father doeth
    loue his childe, euen men which are euill doe
    giue good giftes vnto their children when
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    they aske, because they loue the~, much more,
    the heauenly Father which is perfectly good
    doeth loue his children, that is, those whiche
    beleeue in him: then I reason in this wise, hee
    that beleeueth surely that GOD is his father,
    he is sure that GOD loueth him: hee that is
    sure god loueth him is sure of euerlasting life:
    therefore all those which pray aright, are sure
    they shalbe saued.
    Ath. I pray God wee may call vppon
    him.
    Zelot. Tell mee further what ye thinke,
    was not Abraham sure he shoulde bee saued,
    likewise Dauid, Paul, and others?
    Ath. Euerye man cannot bee like
    those. Can you saye yee are like vnto Abraham?
    Zelot. Doeth not the scripture say, that
    Abraham is the father of the faithfull, and
    that those are the children of God, whiche
    walke in the steppes of faithfull Abraham?
    I confesse in deede that euery one cannot
    attaine to so great a measure of fayth as
    those had: but yet wee must come to the
    same faith, because we haue the same GOD,
    the same couenant and promises, the same
    spirit is giuen vnto vs which beleeue, Saint
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    Paule in the 4. chap. the Ephesians saith: there
    is one God, one faith, one baptisme.
    If there
    be but one, then ours must bee the same that
    theirs was.
    Ath. Yes, but for al that it is presumption
    for men to say they knowe they shalbee
    saued.
    Zelot. I see that popish dung doth sticke
    still between your teeth, when they teach men
    that it is presumption to be out of doubt.
    Ath. What tell ye mee of the Pope.
    I care not for him, I would both hee
    and his Dung, were buried in the Dunghill.
    Zelot. I knowe there be many which care
    not for the Pope, but yet beleeue muche of
    his doctrine: they bee those whiche wee call
    Athiests, of no religion, but looke whatsoeuer
    any prince doeth set forth, that they will professe.
    Ath. I thinke that is good, ought not
    wee for to obey our Princes, and woulde yee
    haue vs to take vpon vs for to bee wiser then
    they and their Counsellers?
    Zelot. I did knowe yee were an Athiest
    setting vp menne in the place of
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    God worse then a Turke.
    Ath. Wherefore doe yee say so?
    Zelot. Tell me this, are wee for to obeye
    men if they commaunde that which is contrary
    to that which God commaundeth?
    Ath. I thinke not so.
    Zelot. Is there any mo then one trueth,
    or one religion, which is the right, and that
    which God commaundeth?
    Ath. There can be but one truth, that
    is certaine.
    Zelot. Then when one Prince commandeth
    one religion, another ariseth afterwarde
    and commaundeth the contrarie: Will yee
    without difference obey them both? is not
    this for to denie God? is not this for to bee
    worse then a Turke?
    Ath. I am sure yee will not denie, but
    that wee must obey.
    Zelot. Hee whiche doeth disobeye the
    Prince, doeth disobey GOD, vnto his
    damnation, where the prince setteth foorth
    and mainteyneth Gods worde. But if there
    be a prince whiche maketh lawes against the
    lawes of God, wee must obey GOD rather
    then men. But there are many as I said before
    whiche in any Princes dayes will speake
    thus, if religion shoulde turne (saye they) as
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    God forbid it shoulde, but if it doe, it is our
    partes to be obedient. Are not these Atheistes,
    haue they not denied GOD, when
    they set men in his place? And looke
    no higher but what men commande. But
    yee haue drawne me away againe from the
    matter wee were in hand with, where ye sayd
    it is presumption for a man to say he knoweth
    he shalbe saued: I may aske ye a question
    I know ye will answere very boldely.
    Ath. I knowe no cause why I shoulde
    not answere boldly.
    Zelot. Yee say true, for blinde bayarde is
    the boldest horse in the cart, although he bee
    almost drowned in one slowe yet hee will not
    sticke at another, he will through when all the
    rest wil straine curtesie. But let vs come to
    the matter whether is it greater presumption
    for to beleeue that God is true, or for
    to doubt of the certaintie of his promise? &
    whether doeth that man honoure GOD
    most which giueth credit to his word, or hee
    which doubteth whether he will perfourme
    the same?
    Ath. It must needs be graunted that he
    which beleeueth God of his word doeth wel,
    and he that doth not doth euill.
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    Zelot. Yee say true, for if a Prince make an
    offer vnto some man, who~ he fauoureth, and
    he should make aunsweare, I doubt of it, I
    scarce beleuue the performance of your promise:
    would not the Prince thinke him selfe
    greatly dishonoured to haue it doubted,
    whether he be a man of his word? If he shou'd
    sweare for the performance of his promise, &
    the party not trust him, he would neuer put
    that vp, or beare such an iniury. Then it must
    needs follow that whe~ God hath bound himselfe
    both by promise and by oth, as it is said
    Heb. cap. 6. ver. 17. How great presumption is
    it not for to beleeue him? it is all one as too
    thinke God may lie, or that he may bee forsworne,
    which is horrible blasphemy.
    Ath. I graunt this is true, if God should
    tell any man that he should be saued, if he did
    not then beleeue him. But where is that man
    which can say God euer tolde him so? Doth
    he tel any one man so?
    Zelot. Yea that he doth, for that which
    he sendeth vnto al in generall, he se~deth vnto
    euery one in particular: for is it not all one, if
    a man be condemned for treason, to haue his
    pardon se~t him being but one man alone, or
    hauing a great sort mo conde~ned vnto death
    with him, a general pardon is sent for the~ all:
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    Ath. That is al one, for he hath his part in it.
    Zelot. Euen so is it betweene God and
    vs, we were all condemned, he hath sent a generall
    pardon to as many as beleeue the same,
    that whosoeuer trusteth in Christ hee shalbee
    saued. God therefore hath tolde some men,
    that is, such as beleeue that they shalbe saued,
    and such as doubt of his promise and his oth
    they shalbe damned. Therefore is it al one in
    those which beleeue, as if he had sent a particular
    message vnto them.
    Ath. I neuer heard so much in all my
    life before.
    Zelot. I beleeue so. For S. R. can no great
    skill in this geare: he can whippe ouer a new
    payre of cardes nimbly, and tyrle a dye: but
    he should be the messenger of the Lorde of
    hostes, euen as the Prophete saith, his lips
    shoulde keepe knowledge, and men shoulde
    enquire at his mouth, hee shoulde open all
    the Counsel of God vnto the people, and not
    let them run headlong as they doe vnto destruction.
    He should instruct them in all the
    doctrine of faith, and repentance, & so guyde
    them in the feare of God.
    Ath. Al men cannot doe alike, we must
    accept their good will, euery man cannot bee
    a Preacher.
    Zelot. Because ye care not for seeking
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    after eternall life, yee are content to accept
    of nothing: and because yee loue your
    lustes, and hate to be refourmed, yee abhorre
    the vse of preaching, and as poore a man as
    yee are, ye would not for xl. shillings ye had a
    Preacher among you.
    Ath. Yee euer take me at the woorst, I
    allowe preaching, it is good nowe and then,
    but some can keepe no measure nor tel when
    they haue done: Agayne they bee ouer hott
    and seuere, and preache damnation to the
    people. Likewise they meddle with suche
    matters as they neede not, as Election and
    Predestination, what shoulde suche matters
    be spoken of among the people, they make
    men woorse?
    Zelot. I thinke the Diuell is the cunningest
    schoolemaster in the worlde. Other
    schoolemasters cannot bring grosse heades
    and dullards to any passe, but content themselues
    with the finer wits, for to trayne them
    vp in learning: but a man can almost light
    vppon none of his schollers, bee they neuer
    suche blockheads, but they haue their lesson
    at their fingers ends.
    Ath. I thanke yee Sir for your good
    woorde: But I neuer learned it of the Diuell,
    nor neuer was any of his schollers: I
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    trust I haue as little to doe with him as you
    or any other.
    Zelot. Where did yee learne it then, if not
    of the Diuell?
    Ath. I haue heard honest men speake it,
    and some Preachers preach it.
    Zelot. Then I perceiue ye learned it not
    of the Diuel himselfe, but at the mouth of
    some of his Vshers.
    Ath. Wherefore doe yee call them the
    Deuilles Ushers? they haue skill in the
    worde of God, and ought to knowe what
    they saie.
    Zelot. I call them so because they teach
    the precepts of the Diuell. And although
    they haue some knowledge in the woorde,
    yet they neuer learned these thinges whiche
    you speake out of the word.
    Ath. Did the Diuell teach them because
    they haue it not in Gods word?
    Zelot. It is the doctrine of the Diuell,
    because it is against Gods word. For GOD
    neuer teacheth men those thinges whiche
    are contrary to the doctrine which he hath
    set downe in his worde.
    Ath. I thinke ye will hardly prooue
    these thinges for too bee against Gods
    worde.

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    Zelot. I woulde you coulde as easilye
    proue your selfe to bee a good man for then
    we should soone agree.
    Ath. You are not for to iudge of mee
    no more then I am for to iudge of you: but
    there be many now a dayes which will take
    vppon them for to iudge men: they doe
    not learne that out of Gods woorde, I am
    sure.
    Zelot. If I see a man drunken, or heare
    him sweare or raile and suche like, and say,
    he is a naughty man, doe I iudge: shall I account
    him a good man. when I see hee is
    naught?
    Ath. When a man doth see those naughty
    vices, he may boldely say that such men
    are naught.
    Zelot. In like maner when a man heareth
    one which holdeth euill and abhominable
    opinions against the truth, he may
    as boldely say he is naught: because they
    haue giuen iudgement of them selues, and
    haue shewed what they are. Nay they be
    suche as you whiche take vppon yee for to
    iudge: for let a man be more carefull then
    your selues for to serue GOD: and by and by
    you will enter into the secrets of his heart,
    which God onely doth know, and ye will not
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    sticke for to pronounce that he is an hypocrite.
    In the meane time, let a man tell you
    that ye are wicked, when he doth see your
    wickednesse, ye aunswere, ye ought not to
    iudge: but I will come for to proue that the
    thinges which yee speake against preaching,
    are verie diuelishe and wicked. Ye said thus,
    I allowe preaching, it is good now and then,
    but some can keepe no measure, nor will neuer
    haue done.
    Ath. I sayd so in deede, I will not denie
    my worde, and I thinke so still. For a man
    may haue ouermuch of any thing, & ynough
    is as good as a feast.
    Zelot. A very little is ynough for you,
    if the Preacher doe passe his houre but a
    little, your buttokes beginne for to ake,
    and ye wishe in your hearte that the Pulpit
    would fall.
    Ath. Ye may gesse twise before yee gesse
    so right.
    Zelot. Nay I canne gesse somewhat
    neere in suche a man as yee are: but I
    praye, yee did yee neuer sitte at Cardes all
    night?
    Ath. Yes that I haue, and thought it
    but a short night too.
    Zelot. The cause why yee thinke an

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    houre so long at a Sermon, & a whole night
    so short at Cardes, is, that ye delight in the
    one and care not for the other: the carding
    is ioyned with much sinne and seruice of
    the Deuill, the other is for to bring vs vnto
    the knowledge and feare of GOD: Marke
    nowe howe much by your owne confession
    ye loue the Diuell more then GOD? for him
    doe ye loue most, whom ye delight to serue
    most.
    Ath. Can wee not serue God without
    so much preaching? I see they are neuer the
    better which runne most after sermons, they
    talke much, but I woulde haue them leaue
    talking and fall to doing, wee see no doing
    but men are still euen as euill as beefore.
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    Zelot. When ye say they are ouer holy,
    and what shoulde men be so curious and full
    of the spirite, what is this but to say, that they
    amende ouer fast? Is not this to amend when
    men by due instruction out of Gods woorde
    come to repentaunce of their former vices?
    and haue a care to keepe them selues from
    the spottes of the rotten fleshe and filthie
    worlde. Do not you and such as you are after
    a sort blaspheme, when yee reproche men
    with the spirite? Is it a shame for a man nowe
    a dayes for to haue anye thing to doe with
    the spirite of God? While a man doeth walke
    after the fleshe in the lustes of vncleannesse,
    he is an honest man: but so soone as hee is
    indued with any grace, ye wonder at him as
    crowes do at an owle, yee are readie to floute
    and mocke him out of his skinne. And as if
    the spirite of God were a spirite of dishonour
    and shame, yee mocke men with him.
    Wee may wonder at the longe patience of
    GOD, which hath thus many yeeres suffered
    himselfe to be dishonoured, his spirite reuiled,
    his woorde despised, and hath not been
    reuenged, but no doubt the longer hee hath
    caried, the heauier will the stroke be.
    Ath. Men are men, what shoulde they
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    make themselues more holy then they be?
    Zelot. If ye meane one way ye say right,
    for it is a naughtie vice for men to seeme to
    be holy when they are not, or to seeme to
    be more holy then they be: but if yee meane
    another way (as I thinke ye doe) that because
    men are sinfull by nature, why shoulde they
    seeke for to be better, then doe ye speake verie
    wickedly. For God calleth men to repentance,
    to turne from their euill wayes: God
    guideth his seruants at all times with his
    spirite, therfore S. paule sayth Rom. 8. There
    is no condemnation nowe to those whiche
    are in Christ Iesus, which walke not after
    the fleshe, but after the spirite.
    And againe in
    the same chapter, As many as are led by the
    spirite of God, are the sonnes of God.
    Hee
    sayth that if wee liue after the fleshe, we shall
    dye: in other places he doth shewe, whiche
    are the workes of the spirite, and whiche
    are the workes of the fleshe: And you like
    blasphemous wretches allowe those whiche
    walke after the flesh, and condemne those
    which are led by the spirite.
    Ath. Are none indued with Gods
    Spirite, but such as runne to heare preaching?
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    God, can not but delight in the woorde of
    God, whiche the same spirite hath vttered:
    The Lorde saith, hee which is of God, heareth
    Gods worde: The happie man is hee
    (as wee haue in the 1. Psalme) whiche hath
    his delight in the lawe of the Lorde, and
    which doeth meditate in the same day and
    night? We haue in the psalme 112. Blessed
    is the man which feareth the Lorde, hee hath
    great delight in his commaundements.

    Moreouer, the spirite of GOD doeth not
    guide men without the woorde. And therefore
    it is saide Psalme 119 Thy woorde is a
    lanterne vnto my feete, and a light vnto my
    pathes.
    S Peter sayth, 1. Epist. 1. Hee hath beegotten
    vs againe not of mortall but of immortall
    seede, which he affirmeth to bee the
    worde of God that indureth for euer. Likewise
    S. Iames saith cap. 1. of his owne good
    will begat hee vs, by the woord of trueth. Seeing
    therfore that the holy Ghost doth guide
    men by the worde, it followeth that all those
    which set light by the woorde, are led, not
    with the spirite of God, but with the spirite of
    the Diuell. I might alleadge a number of testimonies
    of Scripture to prooue that such as
    you which make so small accompt of the sacred
    woorde of God, as there be a number,
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    yea the greatest number whiche doe not set
    so muche by it as they doe by an olde shoe,
    are despicers of God, worse then brute
    beastes.
    Ath. Cannot men be lead by Gods spirit
    and serue God, vnlesse they knowe the
    Scriptures: GOD forbidde that all those
    shoulde bee awry which are not learned: is
    it not enough for plaine countrie men, plowmen,
    taylours, and suche other, for to haue
    their ten commaundementes, the Lordes
    prayer, and the beliefe: I thinke these
    may suffice vs, what shoulde wee meddle
    further: I knowe men whiche are no scripture
    men, whiche serue GOD as well as
    the best of them all. Will yee condemne
    such?
    Zelot. I sayde before that men can not
    be lead by Gods spirite, and refuse to knowe
    the Scriptures: Neyther can they truelie
    serue him vntill suche time as they knowe
    howe for to serue him: for GOD teacheth
    howe he wil be serued, and hee teacheth onlie
    in his worde: his will is that we shal learne
    to know him by his worde. And therefore he
    hath appointed the Ministerie of the woorde
    to continue for euer in his Church, that by
    it men may be built vp in Christe, as yee may
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    reade Ephe. 4. For this cause S. Paule exhorteth
    Tymothie to bee instant in teaching
    in season and out of season: he trauelled himselfe
    night and daie, he maketh a verie feruent
    prayer to God continuallie for the Collossians,
    that they might bee fulfilled with the
    knowledge of his will, in all wisdome and
    spirituall vnderstanding, Collos. ver. 9. For
    this cause hee exhorteth the Christians to bee
    children in malice, but not to bee children
    in vnderstanding. The holy Ghost doth
    sharpely reprooue the Hebrewes as wee may
    see, in the latter end of the 5. chap. of that
    Epistle: because they were yet children to
    be taught, when for the time they shoulde
    haue been teachers. Againe there is a notable
    sentence in the beginning of the seconde
    chap. of the prouerbs, where a man may
    playnlie prooue, that none can come to the
    feare of god, but such as doe earnestlie endeuour
    for to knowe God. The wordes be these.
    My sonne, if thou receiue my wordes, & hide
    my commaundements with thee, to incline
    thine eares to wisdome, and to bow thy heart
    to vnderstanding: if thou call for vnderstanding,
    and vtter thy voyce for knowledge: if
    thou seeke her as siluer, and digge for her as
    for hidde treasures. Then shalt thou vnderstande
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    the feare of the Lorde and finde the
    knoweledge of God. If a man doe not receiue
    the woorde and commandementes of
    God vttered by his Ministers, if he doe not
    keepe and lay them vp, if he doe not cry and
    call vpon God for vnderstanding, if hee doe
    not incline his eares and bende his heart thereto,
    if he doe not searche and digge after her
    as men doe for treasures: he shall not come
    to the knowledge of the feare of God.
    Ath. All men cannot come to these things
    which you speake of.
    Zelot. All men which will please GOD
    must come this farre, that can saye with
    the Prophete Dauid in the 119. Psalme, I
    haue hidden thy worde in my heart: that I
    might not sinne against thee.
    Also in the
    same place when hee hath asked the questions
    Wherewithall a younge man shall
    cleanse his wayes,
    hee aunswereth, by taking
    heede thereto according to thy worde
    : whereby
    it is most euident, that all those are vnpure
    in their waies, and sinne greeuously against
    God, which haue not layde vp his woorde in
    their heartes, nor cleansed their wayes by the
    same.
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    But let vs come to some other of your sayings,
    which I am greeued for to heare.
    Ath. Yee neede not to be greeued, for I
    doe not hurt ye.
    Zelot. I can not but bee greeued to see
    your grosse and palpable blindnesse: and I
    am the more greeued when I remember that
    many which are otherwise verie wise men vse
    muche your doltishe sayinges, and thinke
    they speake very wisely. They say what should
    vnlearned men meddle further then to say
    their ten commaundements, the Lords praier,
    and the articles of the faith. And you are
    of the same minde.
    Ath. I trust to doe as well with these,
    as other with all their learning.
    Zelot. Doe yee thinke that yee shall doe
    well euen because ye can say them: although
    yee do not vnderstande them?
    Ath. Nay if a man say them, and doe
    not vnderstand them, hee is little the better.
    I knowe not why I shoulde not vnderstande
    them, so long as God hath giuen mee my
    fiue wittes: I am no childe, nor I am no
    foole.
    Zelot. In deede hee that hath one good
    wit, is no foole, muche lesse are you whiche
    haue fiue: you must needes knowe all and
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    more: For I thinke ye meane, that ye are able
    by reason to vnderstand those things.
    Ath. I trust I vnderstand by that reason
    which God hath giuen me, so much as is
    sufficient: I can tell when I doe well, and I
    can tell when I doe euill.
    Zelot. I perceiue you are a fre will man,
    one of those which thinke by natural vnderstanding
    too conceiue the mysteries of
    GOD: And yee doe in deede vnderstand so
    much as is sufficient: not for to saue ye, but
    as S. Paule sayth Rom. 1. to make ye without
    excuse: & so to condemne ye. You know
    some sinnes: and likewise ye can tell some
    thinges which are good, but ye can neuer
    tell any thing which ye haue done that is
    good.
    Ath. I trust GOD will bee more
    fauourable then you are: and that hee will
    not forgette the good deedes which I haue
    done.
    Zelot. A very little box I warrant you
    will holde all your deedes, if ye haue no
    moe olde deedes then you haue good
    deedes.
    Ath. Are not these good deedes, when a
    man doth giue to the poore, and is readie to
    doe his neighbour a good turne? when a man
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    doth liue honestly, serue God, and thinke no
    man any harme.
    Zelot. Now ye speake of cost: now ye are
    hit into your right vaine againe, euen where
    ye would be, to boast of those thinges which
    ye haue not: for none of all those or such
    like are good in you, because they doe not
    proceed of faith: for S. Paul saith Rom. 14. ver.
    23. Whatsoeuer is not of faith is sinne.

    Ath. How can yee prooue that mine are
    not of fayth?
    Zelot. Faith is by hearing, and hearing
    by the word
    Rom. 10.17. where a man despiseth
    the worde, there can be no faith: because
    faith is grounded vpon the worde, and
    doth not beleeue thinges contrarye vnto the
    woorde. Moreouer, they be not your fiue
    wittes, (as you terme them) which can make
    ye able for to vnderstande the mysteries of
    Gods worde. For they cannot be vnderstood
    as Saint Paule teacheth. 1. Corinth. 2.11. Vnlesse
    God reueale them by his spirite: for euen
    the wicked which seeme to knowe them,
    doe not know them aright. But let vs come
    for to see how well ye doe vnderstand the ten
    commaundements. Do ye not looke to come
    to heauen, by doing of them?
    Ath. I doe them as nigh as God will
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    giue me grace. I trust God will not require
    more at my hands then I am able for to doe:
    I am as he made me? if he had made mee able
    for to do better I shoulde do more.
    Zelot. Now ye are in a deepe peece of
    diuinity, ye thinke this is so equall which yee
    vtter now, that all the Doctors in the world
    are not able for to controll ye. Ye say ye do
    what ye can, more God cannot require at
    your handes: you meane as if one shoulde
    make this comparison: a father canne require
    no more of his child then his strength
    wil serue, a Prince can commaund his subiect
    no impossible thing: if a father shoulde
    whippe his childe for not doing that which
    he is not able, it were crueltie: if a Prince
    should put a subiect to death for not doyng
    his commaundement in a matter vnpossible,
    it were tyranny: the father will say. My
    child did his good will I can aske no more:
    The Prince will say he hath done that which
    a man might, and further I cannot require.
    Likewise you thinke GOD shoulde deale
    straightly with ye, if he shoulde condemne
    ye for breaking the Lawe, which ye are not
    able to obserue: & that he cannot looke for
    more at your handes then he hath made yee
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    able to perfourme.
    Ath. I meane so in deede, flesh is fraile,
    wee cannot doe all things.
    Zelot. I pray ye tell me, doe yee thinke
    any shall goe to hell and be damned?
    Ath. The Scripture saith there shall, doth
    it not?
    Zelot. Wherefore doe ye thinke they
    shalbe damned?
    Ath. For breaking Gods commaundements.
    Zelot. Are they able for too keepe
    them?
    Ath. No man is able for to keepe
    them.
    Zelot. Shall they then be damned for euer
    in hell fire, for breaking those laws which
    they were not able to keepe?
    Ath. Not if they had done their good
    will: For then they coulde not bee blamed.
    Zelot. Howe the Diuel hath muffled
    you too keepe yee from seeyng the daunger
    of eternall damnation which ye are in:
    haue yee neuer hearde that whiche GOD
    sayth by Moses, which S. Paule citeth in the
    3. Chap. to the Galath. Cursed is euery one
    whiche abydeth not in all thinges which are
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    written in the booke of the law for to doe them:
    by which yee may see that God with his own
    mouth doth lay his curse (which is da~natio~)
    vppon euery one which doth breake neuer so
    litle of the law.
    Ath. GOD is mercifull, hee is not
    so seuere as you woulde make him for to
    bee.
    Zelot. Doe ye not thinke that he is a iust
    and a true God?
    Ath. I must needes thinke so.
    Zelot. Do ye thinke that when he hath
    vttered his iustice, that he can by his mercy
    goe from it, and so be found vntrue? Nay
    there bee many of yee which in all thinges
    crie God is mercifull, GOD is mercifull,
    which neuer consider with what conditions
    GOD hath promised mercy, neyther how
    it may stand with his iustice and trueth: ye
    thinke GOD offereth mercy without exception.
    Ath. If God bee not mercifull wee are
    but in an euill case.
    Zelot. He is a most mercifull and gratious
    God, but yet not vnto any, but suche as
    he hath promised mercy. Howe many thousand
    there be, which are caried headlong
    to hell with this error, which not knowing

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    the iustice and truth of GOD, doe blesse
    them selues where God hath accursed them.
    For these thinges which you haue now vttered,
    are euen of the principall reasons which
    Satan doth seduce men withall; and holde
    them from the truth. They thinke thus, I do
    what I can, God hath made me able to doe
    no better, God is mercifull, they know not
    this, that God made vs able in our first creation
    to keepe and obey his will wholly, and
    that although we can now keepe no part of
    it, yet he may iustly accurse and condemne
    vs vnto eternall fire, for transgressing any
    part of it: ye are not as he made ye, and therfore
    ye deceiue your selfe when yee thinke
    that he requireth no more at your handes,
    then ye are now able for to doe. Ye deceiue
    your selfe, when ye think that GOD can
    be mercifull vnto ye, and you liue without repentance.
    Ath. You woulde make a man dispaire,
    if ye would put him out of hope in the mercie
    of God.
    Zelot. I would not bring ye out of hope
    in the mercy of God, but I would bring ye
    out of your vaine hope, which is not that
    which wil saue ye, but doth harden and blind
    ye vnto damnation.
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