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    Gee, Edward Author Profile
    Author Gee, Edward
    Denomination Anglican
    Letter to Father Lewis Sabran Text Profile
    Genre Letter Pamphlet
    Date 1688
    Full Title A letter to Father Lewis Sabran Jesuite, In Answer to his letter to a peer of the Church of England. Wherein The Postscript to the Answer to Nvbes Testivm is vindicated. And F. Sabran's Mistakes further discovered.
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    Reverend Sir; SInce I am altogether a stranger to that Honourable Person, to whom
    your Letter is dedicated, I would not presume to write my Vindication
    to his Lordship, but thought it more proper for me to address
    this to your self.
    What I put down in a Postscript in relation to your Sermon at Chester,
    hath, I perceive, given you no little disturbance. I do not wonder at it,
    since few men are content or able to bear the justest censure that can be
    past upon them.
    But tho' I do not wonder at your displeasure, yet I do very much at
    your attempt to vindicate your self in a matter that is not capable of any
    defence, as I shall quickly shew you.
    I intend this Letter for a Vindication of my self to the world, as well
    as to you, and therefore will take leave to repeat what you said in that
    Sermon, and what it was that I animadverted upon in my Postscript to the
    Answer to the Nubes Testium.
    In the second page of your Sermon you have these words; If I presume
    not to present them, yours and your Auditours Prayers without taking along
    the joynt Intercession of the Mother of God, I follow therein the Advice of
    St. Augustin, which I address to you in his words; Let us by the most tender
    Application of our whole heart, recommend our selves to the most Blessed Virgin's
    Intercession; let us all, with the greatest eagerness, strive to obtain her
    Protection; that whilst with Assiduity we pay her our Devotions on Earth, she
    may intreat for us in Heaven by her earnest Prayers; for undoubtedly she who
    brought forth the Price of Redemption, hath the greatest Right to intercede for
    those who are redeemed.
    This was the passage that I reflected upon there, since with a very little
    pains I found that that Sermon out of which you quoted these expressions,
    was not St. Austins, and therefore I said in that Postscript that I could not
    but conclude you guilty either of great Ignorance, or of notorious disingenuity, who
    would ascribe to the venerable St. Austin this Notorious Forgery.
    These Expressions of my Postscript I do still own notwithstanding your
    Vindication, and intend this Letter for a Defence of them, and a full Confutation
    of what you have so weakly and so unwarily offered towards
    the clearing of your self.
    You have prefaced your Letter to that Honourable Lord with some

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    hard words against the Church of England about her Reformation by meer
    Lay-Authority, about her want of Succession, Mission, and about her undermining
    one third part of the Apostles Creed. I am so very desirous to come
    to the Controversie betwixt us, that I will only tell you here, that every
    word of what you have said there against the Church of England is very
    false, and very absurd.
    You next make two or three Reflections upon my Answer to the Compiler
    of the Nubes Testium; I will pass over these at present also, since I am
    not at leisure here to defend that Book, and which is more, I need not against
    what you have said there.
    You next come to the Dividing of my Accusation against you, and tell
    the World, I accuse you first of Ignorance in saying, you followed the Advice
    of St. Austin, when you recommended your self to the Most Blessed Virgins
    Intercession.
    In Answer to which I must tell you, Sir, that you abuse my words in dividing
    them into the charge of Ignorance about Using the Intercession of
    the Blessed Virgin, and Disingenuity about quoting the Sermon as St. Austins.
    Your design I easily foresee, which is to draw me into a Controversy
    about Invocation of Saints, that so the heavy charge laid against
    you may be either dropt, or buried in a multitude of words about other
    things.
    But to be plain with you, Sir, now you have drawn me into the field,
    I am resolved not to be diverted with the throwing in of other matter
    about Invocation, which I have sufficiently answered once already in my
    Answer to the Compiler of the Nubes Testium: I am resolved to finish this
    dispute about the Sermon of St. Austin, before I begin any other with
    you; When you have either cleared your self, or owned your obstinate
    Mistake, then I shall be at your service either in the DEFENCE of my
    Book, or of my Mother the Apostolical Church of England.
    You must not be angry therefore if I throw aside as nothing to the
    purpose of the present Controversy what you have set down out of the Nubes
    from your third to your sixth page, where I was glad to find that you
    did recollect with your self that our dispute was about those words as taken
    out of the thirty fifth Sermon de Sanctis: Which I said could not be
    St. Austins, but you are now resolved to defend that it may.
    As for my Arguments; you tell his Lordship that I borrow some Proofs,
    of this Confident Assertion I suppose you mean of the Sermons not being
    St. Austins of Alexandre Natalis, and add one of my own contrivance.
    Since I am not acquainted with that Honourable Lord, I am afraid you
    will not do me the favour to tell that Lord from me, that what you say
    here is very false. I designed and drew up that Postscript, and had it
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    Printed in half a day; I had not lookt into Natalis Alexandre of five
    weeks before, and which is more, neither looked for, or ever saw one
    syllable in him about that, or any other Sermon attributed to St. Austin
    that I remember. I must own that I have been acquainted with Natalis
    Alexandre, but it was meerly to find out the stealings of your Pious and
    Learned Author of the Nubes Testium, who as I have shewn in my Answer,
    did not only steal his whole Book, excepting a small passage or two out
    of that French Historian, but stands excommunicated by this present Pope
    for his pains,
    After your false account whence I had my Proofs, you come next to
    examine them singly.
    My first was that the Title, a Sermon on not in as you translate the
    words the Feast of the Assumption does not at all agree to any thing that is
    near St. Austins time.
    You answer that there is no consequence can be drawn from the Title,
    since the Title as I suppose your meaning is might have been afterwards
    added. But why, Sir, can there be no consequence drawn hence;
    my design was not only from there being no Feast of Assumption then
    which you grant and therefore no Sermon could be Preached on that
    Solemnity, but from there being no belief of such an Assumption then,
    and therefore a Sermon on that subject, which this evidently is, cannot
    be either St. Austins, or near his time, since there was then and long after
    not only no Feast, but no belief of any such thing as the Assumption of the
    Blessed Virgin. But you endeavour to illustrate this shadow, or rather
    phantome of an Answer by an Instance. You tell his Lordship St. Austins
    fourteenth Sermon de Sanctis is allowed by all to be his genuine work, the Title
    whereof, is in the Feast of all Saints; yet that the Institution of that Feast
    was much later than that Sermon, which was made for, and preach'd in the
    Solemnity of a Virgin and Martyr.
    Surely Sir, you thought your putting your name and your society to your
    Letter would fright the nameless Author, from daring to give one word
    of Answer to that Letter, and therefore that you might take the Liberty
    to say what you pleased in it. Without such a supposition, I am not able
    to rescue you from a more odious Character, than I am willing to mention:
    For this is one of the falsest passages I have met with in so few
    words. You say St. Austins 14th Sermon de Sanctis is allowed by all to be his
    genuine work: This is give me leave to speak out very false: For the
    Benedictines of Paris not to mention our Authors, whom I will not insist
    on to prove against your ALL, have thrown this Sermon into their
    Appendix as Spurious, and shew that it is a meer Cento, made up of
    pieces of Sermons, borrowed here and there. You tell his Lordship next,
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    that the Title of the Sermon, is in the Feast of all Saints. This is as false
    as the other; for not onely in the Louvain, but in the Benedictine, as well
    as in Erasmus's Edition, the Title of this fourteenth Sermon, is in Festo Conversionis
    Sancti Pauli
    , a Sermon on the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul. I
    must confess Sir, that I was wholly astonished at your asserting these things
    with so much assurance to a Peer, and to a Peer also of the Church of England,
    and without any truth: I lookt again and again at it, and lest it
    might be an errour of the Press, I lookt into the fourth, into the twenty
    fourth, into the thirty fourth, into the forty first; I lookt also into the
    two next Sermons before and after this fourteenth Sermon de Sanctis, but
    no news could I find of your Title in any one of those Sermons, and therefore
    must lay this mistake to your own charge.
    You lastly tell his Lordship, that this fourteenth Sermon was made for,
    and preach'd in the solemnity of a Virgin and Martyr; which is as false as either
    of the other, since it certainly was made for, and preach't upon St.
    Pauls Conversion.
    You next tell his Lordship of a far greater mistake in this my Objection,
    much to be wondered at in so great a pretender to reading, as if say you Feast,
    or day of Assumption in the Writings of Antients, did almost ever signify any
    thing else but the Day of a Saints Death.
    But pray, Sir, what is that to this Sermon, if the day of Assumption do not ever
    signify the day of a Saints Death, why may not this be the exception? but
    to pass that; you know very well that that cannot be the meaning here,
    since this Sermon speaks of Assumption of the Blessed Virgin; and that it
    was the Churches Custom to believe that the Virgin Mary was on the day of
    that solemnity assumed into Heaven.
    But all this is but to raise a dust about nothing, for were the Argument
    from the Title as weak as you could desire, yet what follows in my
    Postscript, is more than strong enough to convince all reasonable men
    that that Sermon could not be St. Austins.
    I next urged against this Sermon, that the Benedictines of Paris in their
    late Edition of St. Austin had cast it into their Appendix as spurious, and
    that they told us that in their MSS. it wanted the name of any Author; but
    that the Divines of Louvain told us that in several Manuscripts, which they used
    in their Edition of St. Austin, this Sermon de Sanctis was intituled to Fulbertus
    Carnotensis.
    This Argument you were affraid to take together and therefore without
    saying a word to the Benedictine Manuscripts, which name no Author
    for that Sermon, you think you answer the Louvain MSS. about its
    being intituled to Fulbertus, by saying St. Ambrose and Chrysologus's Sermons
    have appeared in MSS. under other Authors names. But pray, Sir,
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    what would you prove from hence, because such a thing hath happened
    to St. Ambrose, therefore this Sermon must be St. Augustins, because printed
    among his works, tho' it bears not his name either in the MSS. used
    by the Louvain Divines, or by the Benedictines. How is it that we know
    one man's Sermon's from another's, is it not either from his style, or from
    its being attributed to such a person by the most and best Manuscripts?
    from one of these ways it is that St. Ambrose's or any other Father's Sermons
    are vindicated to their true Authors. But both these Arguments are
    directly against this Sermon's being St. Austins; the style is dull and heavy,
    hath not any thing like or near the briskness, wit, and great sense of St. Austin;
    and further the MSS. used by them, give it against you, they
    either intitle it to no Author, or to Fulbertus Carnotensis.
    Tho' my Arguments were not very weighty, yet what I next urged I
    thought would fully satisfy any ones scruples; I mean the instance of Isidores
    being quoted in it, by which I said it was certain that this Sermon must
    be written after his time who lived in the beginning of the Seventh Century.
    What I say is certain here you tell his Lordship is unprobable. You give
    this as one reason, because the Author of that Sermon says no Author among
    the Latins could be found, who treating of our blessed Ladies Death had been
    positive and express; whereas Gregory of Tours in the Sixth Age hath a
    most full account of our blessed Ladies Assumption, and therefore the Author
    of this Sermon must have lived before Gregory, and consequently long before
    Fulbertus, or Isidore of Sevil. But I do not see this Consequence, it is no
    errour to suppose the Author of that Sermon had never seen Gregory of
    Tours Book, and therefore might have that expression concerning no Latin
    Author treating of the Virgin Maryes Assumption: Or we may very well
    suppose that if he had, he reckons his story among those Apocryphal ones
    which were then writ, but rejected by the Church of God: And I cannot
    see how it should be a fault in Fulbertus to reject Gregory of Tours if
    he knew of him as an Apocryphal Author, and not in St. Bernard, who so
    very long after either doubted or disbelieved as you own in the page before
    this the Story of the Assumption, notwithstanding the most full account
    of it in Gregory; whom with the Author of this Sermon he either did not
    know, or did not regard.
    Your Answer about St. Isidore is very strange, since tho' there were
    never so many Isidores before St. Austin, yet can you, or dare you offer
    to shew that any of them were Writers? But to drive you from this weak
    hold, we are certain that the Isidore quoted here is he that lived in the seventh
    Century. If you did look into the Louvain Edition when you wrote
    your Letter, you could not have mist seeing what book of his the passage is taken
    from.
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    But I am affraid, Sir, I have to do with one, who is resolved to carry
    things by his own wild guesses more than by examining things fairly. The
    passage in the Sermon is in Isidor's Book de Vita & Morte Sanctorum. So
    that all your dreams are vanished; and this one passage enough to have
    answered your whole Letter. I shall therefore be shorter with the rest, and
    tell you that your sleighting the Judgment of the Louvain Divines, and
    the present Learned Benedictines at Paris, especially when invincibly
    strengthened by this passage from Isidore, and your believing this Sermon to
    be St. Austins, because Thomas Aquinas believed it to be his, discovers
    pardon the expression a very unbecoming obstinacy; You cannot but
    have heard how little a Critick Monsieur Launoy hath shewn Aquinas was,
    what forged Authorities he used and urged as from S. Cyril of Alexandria;
    whereas there was no such things in his works. This instance, which you
    make use of for your defence, is an evidence as well against him as you, however
    far more excusable in him than in you, since he lived in such times of
    Ignorance, and you in times so learned; I am very confident that had he
    seen how much is now said against this Sermon, he would have been far
    from acting like you, or have been obstinate in the defence of such a noted
    forgery.
    I have but room left to tell you that the Louvain Divines are of no Authority
    with me except where their reasons are apparently good; and therefore
    should they have asserted the 18th Sermon de Sanctis to have been
    St. Austins as you say they do I should not upon good reasons assent unto
    them; but that what you say here is false, is evident from that note set
    by them before this Sermon, that some attribute this Sermon to Fulgentius: and
    the Benedictines of Paris are so far from your words, that they say the Louvain
    Divines leave it as DUBIOUS: And they for their parts have cast it
    into the Appendix as Spurious, and give this reason for it among others,
    that it is the work of some ignorant botcher, who hath patched it up out of
    stolen Sentences: So that your quotation for Invocation thence ought to be
    sleighted by that honourable Lord as much as your other in the Sermon before
    the Court at Chester,
    Thus, Sir, I have given you the trouble of a Letter; if you intend a
    further Vindication of your self, pray oblige me so far as to hasten it out,
    that so I may stay no longer for it, than you have done for this. One thing
    you may oblige me in further, and that is not onely to quote, but to look
    into those Authors you make use of. This will prevent the multiplying of
    the Controversy; tho' you be resolved to continue this any longer against
    Reverend Sir your Friend in all Christian Offices.
    FINIS.
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